How I Contacted Siddhar Thirumoolar

(See san­skrit translit­er­a­tion scheme)

Many peo­ple wrote in the com­ments as well as in emails that they were look­ing for expe­ri­ences sim­i­lar to what I described in this arti­cle. I am com­pelled to post this update after I read Mr. Rajendrakumar’s unfor­tu­nate per­sonal expe­ri­ence (see com­ments sec­tion) from prac­tic­ing the mantra on this page with­out proper guid­ance. This arti­cle was writ­ten with the inten­tion of shar­ing my expe­ri­ence only, but it was never my inten­tion that it would be taken as a tech­nique (I never gave the steps of using the mantra in this page). I did not write this arti­cle lightly. I delib­er­ated putting this on my site for more than three months and put it up only after inner push. Also, note that this expe­ri­ence was more than cou­ple of years old from the date of pub­li­ca­tion of this arti­cle. My only inten­tion in writ­ing this arti­cle was to express that the Sid­dhars are avail­able on the inner planes if we need help. If you really want the proper tech­nique of chant­ing the mantra, you need to go to http://​www​.SivaYoga​.com/ and get it from them.

One size does not fit all. Not all tech­niques are for every­body. If you really want, try a tech­nique for short peri­ods of time (like, 5 min­utes per day) for about three days. If the tech­nique is not pleas­ant and give you joy, but causes dis­tress, then the tech­nique is not for you.

Please also note that if you are chant­ing mantra or doing a tech­nique with an inten­tion of hav­ing a par­tic­u­lar spir­i­tual expe­ri­ence, then that desire may be com­ing from ego which could cause phys­i­cal and men­tal dis­tress. You need to approach any tech­nique with humil­ity and sur­ren­der to the divine and let the divine give you what­ever expe­ri­ence you need to grow.

Bhak­thi or Sur­ren­der to the Divine is impor­tant. May be your first prac­tice should be just that — Sur­ren­der to your favorite form of the divine. If you need to do a spe­cific tech­nique, you will be guided to it and you will not feel the con­flicts cre­ated by ego at that point. This was the case with me.

Lis­ten to your inner long­ing (this is not the ego’s desire to have an expe­ri­ence and feel good). Just because some­one else is doing it or some­one had some expe­ri­ence and you want to repro­duce that expe­ri­ence, is the wrong approach. Hav­ing spir­i­tual expe­ri­ences is not the goal. Expe­ri­ences occur on their own accord depend­ing on what each per­son needs to learn and gain wis­dom. You can derive inspi­ra­tion from oth­ers expe­ri­ences, but not try to repli­cate them.

Develop Self-love and Self-acceptance. When you develop these two, things will appear to you as needed for your evo­lu­tion and you will not face any issues with your prac­tice. With Self-love and Self-acceptance, you will also gain the wis­dom of love and accep­tance for others.

Be gen­tle with your­self. Treat your body/mind tem­ple as you would treat a tem­ple you visit — with love and devo­tion. If you are feel­ing uncom­fort­able and sick, then body is telling you to just stop. No guilt needed. Just stop.

In Feb­ru­ary 2005, I took ini­ti­a­tion into Level-1 of Babaji’s Kriya Yoga and in April 2005, into Level-2. In Level-2, we were given a list of names of sid­dhas (mean­ing, “per­fected beings”) and deities—all are infi­nite intelligences—and we were told the qual­i­ties of each intel­li­gence. We were asked to choose based on what res­onated with us and what qual­i­ties we wanted to invoke within our­selves, at that time. We got ini­ti­ated into one mantra of our choice from that list. When they described the list, one of the descrip­tions was about sid­dhar tiru­mU­lar (from now on I will use the more pop­u­lar spelling and form, “Thiru­moolar”). How­ever, I did not take that mantra at that time, instead I got attracted to the mantra of Lord Muruga (also known as, skanda, kAr­tikEya, kumara, sanat kumara and sub­ra­manya). He is also known as, “The Lord of Siddhas.”

Muruga—The Lord of Siddhas

Mahavatar Kriya Babaji Nagraj

Siddhar Thirumoolar

Few months passed. Around early June 2005, I hap­pened to be at my friend’s (he is also my music teacher) place, as he was giv­ing a lecture-demonstration on Ayurvedic cook­ing. (yummy!) When we were all eat­ing, he started talk­ing to some­body and I hap­pened to be nearby. I over­heard him talk about how he got a mes­sage from Thiru­moolar to do an inter­net search for a cer­tain, “51 syl­la­ble Siva mantra,” so he can prac­tice and teach to his music stu­dents. He had not started to teach that mantra, yet. This time, I strangely got attracted to the name “Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar.” But, I did not ask about it. I felt, if I needed it, I would surely get it some­how. After that I for­got about it completely.

A cou­ple of days later, I started to get this urge to find this mantra. I thought that I was just mak­ing it up. So, I ignored it. I kept get­ting this thought con­stantly. One week passed. I was just see­ing, if that was just a ran­dom thought and would pass. But, it was not, and I could not resist it any longer. So, I googled, the terms, “51 syl­la­ble Siva mantra Thiru­moolar.” The first site that popped up was, Thirumoolar’s Siva Yoga site. Here, I found the fol­low­ing mantra (also avail­able in Tiru­mandi­ram (Vol 2, Verse 946)):

Si va ya na ma
ya na va Si ma
ma va ya na Si
Si ya na ma va
va Si ma ya na

For fur­ther details on this mantra and Siva yoga, visit the site. I prac­ticed this mantra for about five min­utes every­day, with the intent of con­tact­ing Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar. Barely a week had passed. Then, on July 10, 2005, I had the fol­low­ing vision. I am quot­ing my jour­nal entry below, with a few gram­mat­i­cal and spelling corrections.

Con­tact with Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar (July 10, 2005)

Early this morn­ing, I had a pro­found awak­en­ing from sleep. I didn’t know, if I was dream­ing or awake. I saw red lasers emit­ting from my third eye. At the other end of the rays, there was a fig­ure the half the size of my lit­tle fin­ger. The fig­ure was burn­ing red sur­rounded by intense flames the color of the sun. I couldn’t make out who that was.

The fig­ure said, “Your third eye is open and I want to enter.”

My head was already feel­ing burn­ing hot from the flames from the figure.

I asked, “Who are you? Why should I let you in?”

Then, the fig­ure said, “I am Thiru­moolar and I want to help you.”

To that I said, “I sur­ren­der. Please help me.”

At that moment I saw my fore­head split open. For a brief period I saw a bearded man in that open­ing. My head became unbear­ably hot. But, I was not afraid at all.

Then, the scene changed. I saw myself climb­ing the stairs in our home. My wife was com­ing down.

She asked, “Why are you like that?”

I replied, “Thiru­moolar entered me. I am going to the pooja (med­i­ta­tion) room. I will talk to you after that.”

Then, the scene changed again. I found myself in Tiruchanoor (my native place in India). My father, my uncle and sev­eral other elders were sit­ting in a cir­cle with piles of papers in front of them.

I asked, “What is all this?”

My father answered, “We are trans­lat­ing scrip­tures in Tamil to English.”

I nod­ded.

I was about leave and my father asked, “I for­got your guru’s name. What is it?”

I smiled and said, “Thiru­moolar.” I left the room.

The vision ended there and no more after that.

In the morn­ing, I was con­tem­plat­ing, if Kriya Babaji arranged for me to meet Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar. A voice arose in me that said, “Obey Thiru­moolar. He is also your guru.” I said to myself, “Okay.” The con­tem­pla­tion ended there.

Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar is full of divine love and com­pas­sion. He is fiery in nature, like the bril­liant sun, burn­ing away the dark­ness of igno­rance in me.

In few days after I got this vision, I received a mes­sage to get ini­ti­ated into Siva yoga offered from the web­site men­tioned above. As of writ­ing this arti­cle, I have been ini­ti­ated into and prac­tic­ing Step-4.

I hope this arti­cle serves as an inspi­ra­tion to any of you who are inter­ested in con­tact­ing the great Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar to ask for help on your path to self-mastery, enlight­en­ment and ascen­sion. Great ascended mas­ters like him are avail­able all around us to guide us in our quest for Truth.

Link Love

I would like to extend some link love to the fol­low­ing blogs:

136 thoughts on “How I Contacted Siddhar Thirumoolar

  1. Hey Albert,

    You are very wel­come! Anmol’s and yours have been my favorite blogs for a while, and find­ing Slade’s blog has been a bonus bless­ing for me.


  2. Hi Andrea,

    Thanks a lot for vis­it­ing and com­ment­ing. Thanks for the stum­ble. :-)

    I have been read­ing your blog as well–thanks to Slade for intro­duc­ing me to your blog.


  3. Desika: Con­grat­u­la­tions on your Divine Experience…you have indeed been blessed by a self-realized soul who will now guide you in many ways, and you will indeed help oth­ers in their jour­ney. Best Wishes to you from Sunny Florida, USA. Cheers/Namaste, Keith Johnson

  4. To Sham:

    Thank you very much for your appre­ci­a­tion. You have a very nice blog as well.

    To Keith:

    Thank you very much for your wishes and bless­ings. Mantra yoga has always been one of my inter­ests. We seem to share that interest.

    I am glad that you both vis­ited me and left your web­site links for me to read your articles.


  5. Hey Desika,

    Sim­ply amaz­ing expe­ri­ence you had here. The mys­ter­ies of the Uni­verse are really infi­nite. Would love to get my hands on that jour­nal of yours, sure seems like some seri­ously inter­est­ing read­ing :-D.

    Thanks for the link love, and love all the blogs you have men­tioned above too… great stuff.


  6. Hi Anmol,

    Thanks buddy! Once you read my jour­nal, you may think it is “just seri­ous” and “not seri­ously inter­est­ing” as you pre­vi­ously thought! :-)


  7. Patri­cia,

    Thank you very much for your appre­ci­a­tion. I am look­ing for­ward to more of your par­tic­i­pa­tion on my blog. I greatly appre­ci­ate all the feed­back I get.


  8. This is inter­est­ing but also dis­turb­ing, how can one be sure the entity com­ing into the third eye
    is who it says it is and is not some­thing try­ing to feed the ego? Why are peo­ple call­ing this mantra a 51 let­tered mantra, there are only 5 let­ters to the mantra, and they are repeated in 5 dif­fer­ent ways adding up to 25 + 1 Om let­ters. For any­one that knows basic maths that would make this a 26 let­tered mantra! In that case, any­one who knows how to add up will under­stand this is only half of the 51 let­tered mantra and another 5 lined vari­ant of nama sivaaya exists and Thiru­moolar has left it up to the devo­tee to find the other per­mu­ta­tions in his Thiru­mandi­ram and put them together to make the full 51 let­ters either that or he is giv­ing a clue that nama­si­vaya is in all 51 petals of the chakras and whose nature is no dif­fer­ent from the 51 San­skrit let­ters. It seems Mas­ter Thiru­moolar doesn’t give every­thing away so eas­ily, but at least he is gen­er­ous enough to have given half! So please call this one the 26 let­tered Mantra. Jai Thirumoolar!

  9. Dear Anan­dakan­tha,

    Thanks for your comment.

    My expe­ri­ences with Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar go beyond words that are used in this arti­cle. In the arti­cle, though ego­tis­ti­cally I asked the ques­tion, “Who are you?” I knew instinc­tively it was Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar even before he answered my ques­tion, and there­fore I can­not attribute it to any other entity. I can­not con­vince you either way, and I can­not sat­isfy everybody’s ego. I con­sider Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar as my spir­i­tual elder brother (per his request) and also as an aspect of my higher self. The joy and love I feel in his pres­ence can­not be expressed in words.

    If you had read my arti­cle care­fully, you would have noticed that I did not say it was, “51 let­tered” mantra, I said it was “51 syl­la­ble” mantra. In each let­ter there are actu­ally two sounds, for exam­ple, in “na” there are “n” and “aa,” and that sound orig­i­nates from two dif­fer­ent parts of the body.

    You are right that Thiru­moolar meant that every one of 51 san­skrit let­ters is infused with Siva.

    That said, I don’t mind call­ing the mantra a 26 let­tered mantra, 51 let­tered mantra, Siva matra, Thirumoolar’s siva mantra or even Anandakantha’s siva mantra. I am sure that Sid­dhar wouldn’t mind it. I don’t believe that a finite name can cap­ture the infinite.

    Ego gets inflated when we start fight­ing over seman­tics, rather than focus­ing on what the mantra and Sid­dhar are point­ing to.


  10. Desika,

    It was an attempt to help you fig­ure out the true 51 let­tered Mantra but it seems Mas­ter Thiru­moolar has come to our aid. No seman­tics don’t have to inflate the ego, but they can clar­ify it, for what is the Thi­ra­mandi­ram but the purest expla­na­tion of the divine seman­tics of Saiva Sid­dhan­tha?
    Here is the full 51 let­tered Mantra pranayam and you can repub­lish it here if you like as such:
    1 + OM (inhale silently think­ing OM)
    Exhale say or sing: SI VA YA NA MA
    for­wards: evo­lu­tion YA NA VA SI MA
    25 let­ters MA VA YA NA SI
    back­wards NA YA MA SI VA
    Invo­lu­tion VA MA NA YA SI
    25 let­ters SI NA YA VA MA

    = 51 Let­tered Mantra of Thiru­moolar, so he gave every­thing for those that have eyes to see and here he is giv­ing it for all eyes to see! SIVAYANAMA!!!!! His grace is infi­nite! Enjoy the nrithya of Siva’s yoga.
    Jai Thirumoolar!!!

  11. P.S. yes you said 51 syl­la­bled but in the Thiru­mandi­ram it is trans­lated as 51 let­tered mantra, either way can be seen to be right.

  12. Siva’s name is meant to encom­pass the infi­nite:
    Sa = illu­mi­na­tion of Peace
    i = Causal Body
    va = Union with the Infinite

  13. Dear Desika,

    While you may not believe that a “finite name can cap­ture the infi­nite,” you must realise that this is the express pur­pose of Siva’s name: Sa = Ilu­mi­na­tion of Peace, i = causal body, Va = Union with the Infinite.

  14. Dear Anan­daKan­tha,

    Thank you for elic­it­ing a dif­fer­ent pranayama tech­nique using the same mantra.

    Thiru­moolar is amaz­ing in his vast knowl­edge of yoga tech­niques and he seems to know what each per­son needs for his/her evo­lu­tion and give very spe­cific tech­niques tai­lored to each one.

    I am very thank­ful to you for dis­cussing the mantra here. I am sure that vis­i­tors of this page will immensely ben­e­fit from your explanation.

    BTW, I only said that “argu­ing” about seman­tics inflates the ego, and not the seman­tics themselves.

    Thank you again.

  15. It is a great priv­eledge to share the knowl­edge on this page that came as a result of inquiry. This ques­tion­ing is designed to pierce the intrin­sic mean­ing eluded to in the lit­er­a­ture, and reveal the hid­den 26 let­ters obtained by revers­ing the first, which thank­fully divine intel­li­gence gra­ciously revealed. If we can think of the right ques­tions, some­times we find the right answers :) I am very grate­ful to you for mak­ing this page on Thiru­moolar that allowed such inquiry to arise and to be spon­ta­neously answered. 51 syl­la­bles are danc­ing in Siva’s bliss. I invite you to try it, if you are so inclined and see how it works.

  16. Dear Anan­daKan­tha,

    I again express my deep grat­i­tude to you for shar­ing your knowl­edge on this page. I believe that Thiru­moolar brought you to this page, so I can gain more insights. I appre­ci­ate your par­tic­i­pa­tion and I hope to see you shar­ing more of your wis­dom on these pages in the future.

    Thanks again,

  17. Dear Desika
    A very nice elu­ci­da­tion of ones expe­ri­ence with­out reser­va­tions. Truly, arti­cles like this will help those seek­ing enlight­en­ment to dig deep into their vast realm and cap­ture the Grace des­tined to each

  18. Dear Parthasarathy,

    Thank you very much for your thought­ful com­ment. It is my sin­cere hope that arti­cles on this site are help­ful to seek­ers on their way to freedom.

    Thanks and I hope to see you more on this site.

    - Desika

  19. Dear desika Nadadur,

    While search­ing for Thiru­moolar the great sage, Gurudev and the dis­ci­ple of My great celes­tial mas­ter, Nandikesh­wara I landed on your page. Long ago when i wanted to prac­tice babaji’s Kriya yoga I requested for bless­ings from My Gurudev and he had replied to me to go for shiva yoga. Your arti­cle is thought pro­vok­ing and reveal­ing. I had my gurudev’ s bless­ings through Naadi leaves and now when i read about shiva yoga i wanted to get ini­ti­ated into it.Kindly guide me in this regard. let your spir­i­tual expe­ri­ence enlighten the uninitiated!!


  20. Dear Ravee,

    Siva Yoga ini­ti­a­tion is given by Sivakami Om Anandi. This is the same link I pro­vided in this arti­cle. You can prac­tice the 51 syl­la­ble mantra and the Soham med­i­ta­tion tech­nique given in the intro­duc­tory page at that site. Those two are pre­req­ui­sites for the advanced tech­niques. After you prac­tice these for a while (it is nec­es­sary that you mem­o­rize the 51 syl­la­ble mantra for lat­ter tech­niques) you can con­tact Sivakami Om Anandi for advanced Siva Yoga tech­niques by fill­ing in an appli­ca­tion form on that site. She is very help­ful in answer­ing ques­tions and giv­ing guid­ance. I have found these tech­niques to be very pow­er­ful in ele­vat­ing my consciousness.

    Please let me know, if I can be of fur­ther assistance.

    Love and Light (LnL),
    – Desika

  21. Thank you for the link to sivayoga. You have helped me in my quest… and am deeply grate­ful to you for this.…. May the divine shower his bless­ings on you…

  22. i am really aston­ished while read­ing this article

    kindly keep me updated regard­ing this

  23. Happy to meet in the spirit of your life’s and this is our meet because I had ini­ti­ated by thiru­Moolar directly with­out any link­ages it is my self inter­est because of my self inter­est My Thiru­Moolar says you are in the cor­rect path who had found me in the life path of ini­ti­at­ing the Moolar directly him­self with­out the mantra after­wards I had stud­ied the Thiru­Mandi­ram in Tamil. Just you feel if only i read the hymns of Thiru­mandi­ram I could fol­low the Moolar’s word or phrases as expe­ri­ences of my owns . Com­pletely stop read­ing of Moolar’s story or any other scripts writ­ten by other authors I had bought the ThiruMoolar’s Thiru­Mandi­ram of my own thread I had picked up only the hymns of Thiru­Mandi­ram it is only ref­er­ence. Why I ‘m telling this means what expe­ri­ence I have every day is Thiru­Mooolar is the Self or in another word he is My awak­ened body because Thiru­Moolar spells with­out this body you can’t real­ize you as same as kriya nagaraj. So on con­clu­sion I’m being I’m being I’m being. Om Sivaya Namah : You can also enjoy it by you’re own. — Raaja . B (Salem — Tamil­Nadu — India)

  24. Dear Friends,
    Its an amaz­ing expe­ri­ence to read all the divine con­tacts with Sid­dhars. We are all so blessed to even talk, read about these noble souls. If some of you can expe­ri­ence them inside you; i am sure you all are very much blessed. Hav­ing wor­ship­ping “Pathi­nen Sid­dhars” (18 Sid­dhars) since Aug 2006, i am not so for­tu­nate as some of you to reach those heights that you did. My belief on them just reaches the zenith when i read the above arti­cles. We can do some­things that these won­der­ful souls did. We can help peo­ple by some way accord­ing to our strength. Show mercy and love to wounded birds, ani­mals and even our fish in the fish tank. True to a line that inspires me from a song in kalathur kan­nama which goes “E Erum­bum Un Padaipil Ini­mai Kanuthae” (Even flies and ants are blessed in your cre­ation). This song is in praise of Tamil Sid­dhar Kadavul Lord Muruga. I strongly urge you all to get a pic­ture of 18 sid­dhars, frame it and keep in pooja and wor­ship. If pos­si­ble please visit Jeeva samadies of sid­dhars. We have one in chen­nai where Pati­nathar became a Lingam and still bless us all at Tiru­votriyur. We can feel won­der­ful vibra­tions if we go and sit in the tem­ple and meditate.

    Pathi­nen Sid­dhar Thuthi Paadal (18 Sid­dhars wor­ship song)

    Nandhi agathi­yar moolar pun­na­keesar natra­vathu pulathi­yarum
    Poon­aikan­nar kan­thi idaikaadarum bogar pulikai eesar
    karu­voorar kon­ganavar kalangi anbir sithu azukan­nar
    agape­yar pam­batti ther­a­yarum kutham­bai­yarum sat­tainathar
    sen­thamizh seer sid­dhar pati­nen mar patham
    sinthai unnai sir­athaniyai serthi vazvam.

    Warm Regards,
    Chen­nai India
    [Email deleted by the admin]

  25. Dear Muthu Kumar,

    Thank you for tak­ing time to com­ment. The poems are very nice.

    One thing that I should say is that the Tamil Sid­dhars were against “exter­nal idol wor­ship.” It is okay to get their pic­tures as a mark of respect for the state they are in. It is okay to use their pic­tures or form as con­duit to go within your­self. But, if it becomes another rit­u­al­is­tic exter­nal wor­ship that does not take you within, then it is not worth it.

    As you may know Sid­dhars were rebels and non-conformists of their time. They want you to be inde­pen­dent and not be emo­tion­ally depen­dent on them. Respect them, love them, be taught by them. But, know that they treat all of us as equal to them and want you to approach them in the same way.

    Please see here for the advice that Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar gave me regard­ing wor­ship­ping him: Broth­er­hood of the Spirit—My Con­tem­pla­tion.

    Thanks for your thought pro­vok­ing com­ment.

  26. Really amaz­ing for shar­ing expe­ri­ence and increse my faith in Siddha.I also expe­ri­ence this type of experience.


  27. Dear Desika Nadadur yogi sir,

    Con­grat­u­la­tions to share your Divine Experience…!!!

    please kindly request SIVAYANAMA 126 line words,
    based on Per­mu­ta­tion comp­ina­tion the­ory method, and how to pro­cede in med­i­ta­tion
    that mantra. do you Know pls answer me.

    and pls advise me. (i am very inter­ested in Astavarkam (126 sivayanama) comp­ina­tion words)


    Thyaaho [Phone num­ber removed]

    Note : Some Sid­dhars rare place pho­tos shared on my routes:

  28. Anil: I am happy that it increased your faith in the Siddhars.

    Thyaaho: I do not know about 126 line mantra, so I won’t be able to help you with that mantra. I only use the 51 syl­la­ble mantra given in this arti­cle. BTW, Nice pic­tures on flickr.


  29. inter­est­ing and abosrb­ing details.
    with aging humans become less mate­ri­al­is­tic and more spir­i­tual.
    i too long­ing to expere­ince, but can any one go thru this motion or they have to destined.

    to con­fess i may only have the inten­tion, but iam not sure the step i take is it enough or i am not des­tined not take the enough steps.

    my expere­ince jour­ney started when i came with the con­tact of “bogar sid­dhar” con­flu­ence. i am blessed thee to have their con­stant touch which helps me by way of check­ing what is store for me for the day / future.

    iam more in the posi­tion of keen to know more about my future, so iam get­ting to know more about the sid­dha principle

  30. Dear Iyer,

    Your think­ing that you want to fol­low the Sid­dha path itself shows that you are des­tined. You said you have the inten­tion only. That is a start and the next step is to har­ness its power by tak­ing action. You can start by tak­ing Babaji Kriya Yoga or Thirumoolar’s Siva Yoga ini­ti­a­tion. Links are pro­vided in the arti­cle. Siva yoga is given online for free. Babaji’s Kriya yoga is given world­wide for nom­i­nal donation–please check their web­site for a near­est loca­tion to you.


  31. 3DQ Les­son

    I have received the user name and pass­word for
    3DQ Lessons Step1 six weeks ago and Iam prac­tic­ing reg­u­larly. I am unable to retrieve the
    user name and pass­word from my pc.Kindly mail the same once again.


  32. Your tes­ti­mo­nial was inspir­ing. By God’s grace, I landed in the right site when I needed the spir­i­tual uplift­ment. I believe the divine beings are aware of what’s hap­pen­ing in the blog as in the world! :) Praise be to God

  33. Jai,

    You are absolutely right about the divine beings know­ing the inter­net. In fact, they have been using it to con­tact peo­ple. I have known instances of Babaji and Thiru­moolar ask­ing some of their dis­ci­ples to either start blogs/websites or search for par­tic­u­lar key­words on the inter­net to find mate­r­ial to ben­e­fit the disciple.


  34. Dear all sirs / gurus etc.,

    I am an ordi­nary soul just chanced upon this info. Actu­ally I am inter­ested in all these, includ­ing sid­dha med­i­c­i­nal , and mantra pracice for the wel­fare of uni­veral welbeing.

    Now, I request you all to let all the info you have to succed in my mission.

    Thanks and regards

  35. Dear all,

    I am very glad to here your spir­i­tual expe­ri­ence.
    I am also a spir­i­tual searcher. Would request you
    to share any related mes­sage about siddhars.

  36. Hi,

    Thank you very much for shar­ing the divine expe­ri­ence. I actu­ally stum­bled upon this blog and I con­sider this as the divine willl of saint thiru­moolar. I had this vision of him bless­ing me in Sri­rangam (that was so many 1000 years ago) in sleep some time in the month of August in 2006. I have been an avid seeker of spir­i­tual info from the Inter­net as well as books for the last 5 years after I got ini­ti­ated in to Yoga. I was blessed to come in con­tact with maha­vatar babji through the book ‘Auto­bi­og­ra­phy of Yogi’ from my Yoga master.

    For the past few months, I have been pray­ing to Sage Agastya and I con­sider this ini­ti­a­tion in to this mantra, the divine will of Lord Arunachala, Sage Agastya , Thiru­moolar and Maha­vatar Babaji.


  37. Thank you very much. I was look­ing for some­thing like this. I had read about 18 sid­dhas and I wanted to get in touch with them but it will be like i should go alone to their place or pay for it. This time i prayed Lord shiva and to my suprise i felt that i should go and search “sivayoga”. and this is it. I have started 51 syl­la­ble mantra from yes­ter­day. Today i felt like drunken .It was so great, thanks a lot.

  38. Dear All
    Its is great mes­sage to human beings and your expe­ri­ence with Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar is quite intu­tive and is an inspi­ra­tion for per­son like me who are in search of the supreme.We are blessed that Thiru­moolar has show­ered his bless­ing on us that is the rea­son we have come across such a nice information.

    I am from madu­rai tamilnadu.Kindly share more infor­ma­tion as and when u expe­ri­ence the supreme.

    In the path of Sid­dhar Thirumoolar





  40. @Manikumar: Thanks for stop­ping by. I am sure that Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar will guide you in your quest.

    @Muthu: I will share the infor­ma­tion that I can.

    @Deepan: My per­spec­tive about the world did change.

    @Sudhaa: Thanks for shar­ing your expe­ri­ence. Please stop by and let us know your expe­ri­ence with the mantra.

    @Rohini: You are very wel­come. Mas­ters have an amaz­ing way of using our thoughts and the inter­net to guide us in our spir­i­tual journey.

    @Guru BGN: Thank you for your thought­ful com­ment. As the say­ing goes, “Birds of a feather flock together” all of Sid­dhar Thirumoolar’s dis­ci­ples find a com­mon place. :-) Great mas­ters like him know and guide his dis­ci­ples accordingly.

    @R. Gane­san: Thank you very much for the wishes and wish you the same.


  41. Dear Arul,

    Sorry I don’t know the mantra for Sid­dhar Konkanavar. One idea is, you can chant the mantra given here for Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar and request him to get you in touch with Sid­dhar Konkanavar. That could work!


  42. I want to know about our sid­ders. About their power and how to con­tact them.

    Kindly do the needful

  43. I came across this site thor­ough one of my friend. You shared really an amaz­ing expe­ri­ence with us. I was so atracted towards the man­thra and started to chant since yes­ter­day. I am lit­tle curi­ous about the 52 words in teh man­thra. When I counted it only has 26(including the Om) but not 52. Then later I real­ized was it could be due to the com­bi­na­tion ‘Uyir+Mei’ char­ac­ters in tamil? For e.g: Va = Aa + ivh ? I am not sure whether myun­der­stand­ing towards the 52 man­thra is cor­rect or not. kindly advise.


  44. Malar,

    Ana­lyz­ing whether the mantra is 25 let­tered, 51 syl­la­bled, or 52 syl­la­bled is all just a men­tal exer­cise and does not lend its power to you through that analy­sis. Only chant­ing it does. The deeper mean­ing is that 51 let­ters of the San­skrit alpha­bet vibrate with the power of “Om Na Ma Si Va Ya”.

    I hope this helps.


  45. Hi Desika,

    thanks for expla­na­tion. It was just out of curios­ity I asked that ques­tion. Any­how, I have already started chant­ing the man­thra for the past 2 days con­ti­nously. Thanks for sharing


  46. Malar,

    I know it was out of curios­ity you asked. I hope that you did not take my com­ment the wrong way, it sounded from your com­ment that you were taken aback a bit.


  47. Popescu Ion,

    There are sev­eral mantras of Skanda/Kartikeya/Subrahmanya. Here is one that I know of.

    Om sang subrahmaNyam

    When you chant aloud or men­tally it would sound like this:

    Ong sng su brng maN yam


    Ong — pri­mor­dial vibra­tion
    sng — Siva — Wis­dom
    su — Gane­sha — Inte­gra­tion of celes­tial and phys­i­cal bod­ies., i.e. your entire being.
    brng — Kartikeya/kumAra/subrahmanya — War­rior, fear­less expres­sion, youth­ful­ness
    maN — Saraswati — flow of beauty and cre­ativ­ity
    yam — Krishna — heart energy — play­ful­ness, enchantment.

    I hope this helps.


  48. Hi Desika,

    sorry if my mail sounded so. I never felt such actu­ally. Per­haps, I am not good in word­ings my sen­tence :) I have been chant­ing the man­thra con­tin­u­ously. .Thanks for the shar­ing :)
    have a blessed day ahead


  49. i m in need of a adhy­at­mic guru to start per­fect med­i­ta­tion, self real­i­sa­tion etc. actu­ally i need to know what i should do? i m feel­ing aim­less. please guide me. i will be happy i will receive a mail.
    thank you.

  50. Dear Shukla,
    I think Desika’s busy with his work. I will take the free­dom of point­ing you to the path which I walk. Check out this site : http://​www​.sivayoga​.com ; Here the teach­ings of Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar are pre­sented and relayed by Sivakami Om Anandi. I per­son­ally found them highly ben­e­fi­cial and would rec­om­mend that to any­one who des­per­ately needs to advance sys­tem­at­i­cally in the spir­i­tual path. All the best!

  51. Hi Jai,

    Thanks for replying.

    I replied to Man­jeet Shukla directly over email, as I have already posted the same answer many times over in the com­ments above. Looks like it is time to write up a FAQ! :-)

    Thanks again for tak­ing time to answer the question.


  52. Dear Anna’s,

    I just hap­pened to read out all those articles…really got enlighted about the Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar Contact..For the past one year or so..I am fol­low­ing the sid­dhar worshipping…visiting their samadis…i am now des­per­ately look­ing to have the con­tact of siddhars…Pls advise me..on my way for­ward in my spritual Journey

  53. Hello,
    Iam D.S.Madhavan from Chen­nai . Iam very exi­cited while i was red­ing your expe­ri­ence. I have been ini­tated into Ananda Gandha through my beloved Guru. Really for the past three months some how i was attaracted to the great Sid­dhar Thiru­moolar, con­stantly the Thiru­moolar will occur in my mind with­out know­ingly, even the thought made to search to diffrent sites, now today i got a con­nec­tion with a per­son whom he had a vision of Sri Thiru­moolar with an won­der­ful experice. I will surely go to the link & take the mantras to achive the vision of Sri Thiru­moolar ji.

    Kindly write if you went through more Spritual Experiences.


  54. Prab­huRV,

    Con­tact is made from within not from with­out. We can visit all shrines, but may never make a con­tact. Remem­ber that Siddhar’s say­ing is that your body is your tem­ple and you can make all con­tacts only from within. If your desire is strong to make a con­tact then keep think­ing of your favorite sid­dha and you will be guided.



  55. Desika Ji,

    Thank you very much…I have already started think­ing and chant­ing of sid­dhar Sri Thiru­moolar man­thras.. Hope with rigour Prac­tice and think­ing i will be get his contact..Pls bless and pray for me..

  56. Dear,
    I think that the 51 let­tered mantra parayanam is an sim­ple yantram or a magic square where in you place num­bers 1,2,3,4,5 and ensure that the total count ver­ti­cally, hor­i­zon­tally and diag­nolly in all direc­tions reach 15 ( 1+2+3+4+5=15)
    and the let­ters 1=Na, 2=Si,3=Ma,4=Ya,5=Va and start read­ing the let­ters
    you get the fol­low­ing phrase which makes mean­ing,
    Om, Vaya Nama Sima Sivaya, Naya Nama Siva Sivaya, Nama Nama sivaya, Om.
    Its just out of curios­ity that i tried to rework the same as this makes mean­ing and nor­mally the sid­dhars leave us a lot of puz­zles to solve.

  57. I think I will share with read­ers an intense expe­ri­ence I had at ” Thiru­vaduthu­rai” in front of Thirumoolar’s Samadhi. Prior to this visit , I had an expe­ri­ence in life that betrays the most pro­found teach­ing of Thiru­moolar that ” Love is GOD”. Seek­ing an answer , I sat in front of his Samadhi all alone, med­i­tat­ing intensely, almost force­fully seek­ing an expla­na­tion why I was wronged while in truth I was always fol­low­ing his prin­ci­ples.
    I got in that qui­eti­tude, five chirp­ings of a bird aris­ing indis­putably from the cen­tre of his samadhi,like an “asa­reeri”, the tone of these orderly chirp­ings com­mu­ni­cat­ing that all is well and that I have just faced a karmic expe­ri­ence of my “poor­va­jan­ma­papa” and hav­ing gone through pain on that account, I have noth­ing to fear. This expe­ri­ence was extra­or­di­nary and within days , I got evi­dence that I was indeed a blessed per­son and the sit­u­a­tion changed reas­sur­ingly in res­o­nance withe the great teach­ing that ” GOD is love!”. While the details are less impor­tant, the actual expe­ri­ence was yet another eye opener how much life is dif­fer­ent when expe­ri­enced at deeper lev­els. Surely I am slowly on my way to greater rev­e­la­tions and shall turn towards HIM more intensely in the days to come. Thiru­moolar is most authen­ti­cally liv­ing in our times and shall grace the cho­sen ones at will and let us pray and improve our pre­pared­ness in shelv­ing aspects of the lower self to desreve his infi­nite grace.

  58. I would like to be in this group. I am desprate in get­ting a good con­tact with the Sid­dhas. Can some­body help. it should be gen­uine. I want to talk to them and they must with me throught out my life and be a guid­ing force. i am very very seri­ous about this.

  59. namaskara desai,

    very happy to have come to your site. your info as it is so divinely joy­ous, added are the var­i­ous visitors’/ dis­ci­ples’ expe­ri­ence, words, inter­pre­ta­tion.… very nice.
    all in all, it all con­cen­trates back to the bindu — “GOD IS LOVE”.

    thanks desai.
    thanks all visitors’/ dis­ci­ples of Anan­tha Guru Sri Thirumoolar.

  60. thank u iya,
    i very much inter­ested to con­tact with sid­dhar .before that i want to know the babaji kriya yoga pl give me proper way to prat­ice.
    thank u

  61. Dear friends,
    I too was prac­tic­ing the said yoga.
    To say frankly, i was car­ried away by it. The inter­est in the mate­r­ial world fully van­ished when i was prac­tis­ing 3rd step of the yoga. I was about to leave my home, leav­ing my fam­ily to some tem­ple area as a yogi. My fam­ily screamed know­ing this and i was in guilt. My atti­tude fully got mod­i­fied and i was no where. I was not know­ing what to do. Enlight­ment with­out ful­fill­ing the duties is of no use. Enlight­ened freinds can com­ment on this please.


  62. Dear Surya

    Your mes­sage is a mes­sage for every­one who are in search of sid­dhars and their blessing.Only they can guide us for reach­ing the almighty.Soorya if u are will­ing kindly send us your mail id or your num­ber so that we can share fur­ther more about the prac­tise and experience.

    Dear Desikachari Nadadur

    This site is won­der­ful site for every­one to share their experience.On behalf of every soul in search of bless­ings i thank you for this great service.

    In the path of Thirumoolar


  63. @ Soorya : While read­ing your post, I was reminded of St.Thayumanavar(south Indian saint). Just thought of shar­ing it here — It is rel­e­vant as this sage was instructed by an enlight­ened mas­ter belong­ing to the order of Thirumoolar!!(as the author Prof. Natara­jan men­tions) to lead a house­holder life before being pre­pared for fur­ther spir­i­tual rev­e­la­tions. I post the link of his biog­ra­phy here think­ing it would be ben­e­fitable to know how ascended souls help sin­cere divine seek­ers when we are ready — http://​www​.moun​tain​man​.com​.au/​t​h​a​y​u​m​a​n​a​v​a​r​/​b​k​g​r​o​u​n​d​.​htm

    Again, Indi­vid­ual kar­mas are dif­fer­ent, let your inner silence speak to you.

    P.S : I thought twice before com­ment­ing — after read­ing your last line :) — “Enlight­ened friends can com­ment on this pls.”

  64. @ Murali : You got it ~ Anbe Sivam :) Heart felt wishes to all ded­i­cated souls in real­iz­ing God everywhere. :)

  65. @Soorya,

    Siva Yoga and Kriya Yoga are geared mainly towards house­hold­ers (and celi­bates can prac­tice as well). Love is God (Anbe Sivam). Bring that love out in every­day activ­i­ties. You don’t need to leave any­thing. In fact, these yogas can be prac­ticed by entire fam­i­lies, if all are so inclined. Point of enlight­en­ment is not to run away from the world, but to know that this man­i­fest world is also divine and be in it.

    Note that in the story of Thiru­moolar, the saint Sun­daranathar enters the body of the cowherd Moolan. After tend­ing to the cows he wants to return to his orig­i­nal body, but only finds that his orig­i­nal body was miss­ing. Then, he decides that it was the divine will that he should serve this world in Moolan’s body and so sur­ren­ders to it. He was in this world but not of it.

    All the Sid­dhars lived in our human soci­ety and worked for its bet­ter­ment. They were social reform­ers as well.

    Per­son­ally speak­ing I am a house­holder with a beau­ti­ful sup­port­ive wife and two won­der­ful chil­dren. It has its ups and downs at times as all human rela­tion­ships do, but it immensely ful­fill­ing at all levels.

    Hope this helps.


  66. Dear Desika

    Thanks for the reply and Courtesy

    The phi­los­o­phy said is quite nor­mal say­ing and i appreciate.

    In my opin­ion, the med­i­ta­tion will not work same for every­body and it has its own effects on men­tal and phys­i­cal energy of the med­i­ta­tor. Learn­ing and prac­tic­ing med­i­ta­tion through web site or books will def­i­nitely lead to con­fu­sion and psy­cho­log­i­cal disorders.

    Per­sonal guid­ance of a guru / sid­dhar only will help. Imag­in­ing sid­dhar for guid­ance is illusion.

    In my case, i recov­ered to nor­mal after an acci­dent in a tem­ple and I beleive lord Siva only saved me.

    To say, I have lot of love for my fam­ily and for this soce­ity and hence i write this.
    I am just shar­ing my expe­ri­ence and humbly request “please do not mis­take me”

    thanks & regards

  67. Soorya,

    Don’t worry about being mis­un­der­stood. You are among friends here. Thank you very much for shar­ing your expe­ri­ence. Thirumoolar’s tech­niques (Siva Yoga and 3DQs) look quite sim­ple, but they are very pow­er­ful. In some peo­ple they work so fast that it could throw them off bal­ance. You are right that they work dif­fer­ently in dif­fer­ent peo­ple based on their karmic bag­gage (body/mind disposition).

    Also, there is no illu­sion in seek­ing Siddhar’s guid­ance. A guru need not be phys­i­cally present or even human. Ramana Maharshi said that Mount Arunachala which is Siva Linga itself was his Sat­guru. When you prac­tice these tech­niques of Thiru­moolar, you will be guided. It may not seem like you are get­ting the guid­ance directly from Sid­dhar, because at times you will be guided to a book, a per­son, a web­site, a dream or some other source to clar­ify your doubts. Whether you call it Thirumoolar’s guid­ance or Siva’s guid­ance or God’s guid­ance, it does not really mat­ter, because Sat­guru (who is one with Truth or Siva) is none other than Siva himself.

    Thank you for being.


  68. @Balagurunathan: Thank you for your blessings.

    @Jai Praveen: I hope that you are doing well. I haven’t heard from you in a while. Send a line or two over email.


  69. i was chant­ing mantras (thiru­moolar) from 5th jan to 21 jan , on 18th jan i had more temp in my head and it travel to entire body dur­ing chant­ing the mantra after a few days i have got fever, heavycold,and sev­ere­head ache.tilldate iam not recover completly.temporarly i stop mantras​.pl guide me to go proper way.
    thank you

  70. Dear Desika,
    I have a great inter­est in know­ing sid­dhas since child­hood.. From my small age i have heard many peo­ple shar­ing their expe­ri­ences like this.. i always wish i had one too.. But could you tell me wheather sid­dhas really do exist in hills of sathura­giri and thiru­van­na­malai??? please reply…

  71. Dear KGR

    Please stop doing. It is not suit­able to you. Oth­er­wise you will go mad.
    This is one of the adverse effect of med­i­ta­tion. Beleive in lord Shiva only and say good bye to web­site med­i­ta­tion. Save you and your family

    with regards


  72. Dear Raje­draku­mar,

    This reply is not only for you but for oth­ers as well. This arti­cle was writ­ten with the inten­tion of shar­ing my expe­ri­ence only, but not as a tech­nique. I did not write this arti­cle lightly. I delib­er­ated putting this on my site for more than three months and put it up only after inner push. If you really want the proper tech­nique you need to go to http://​www​.SivaYoga​.com/ and get it from them.

    If you had these symp­toms in the first day or two of your prac­tice, you could have just sent me an email using the con­tact form on this site. I am sorry that you are feel­ing sick. How long were you chant­ing the mantra per sit­ting? In the ini­tial stages you should not chant the mantra for more than a 5 mins per day. That was my per­sonal expe­ri­ence. If you feel, headache or some other dis­com­fort dur­ing a ses­sion just stop. Give it a few days break and try again. If symp­toms come back, it may just be that you are not ready for that par­tic­u­lar mantra, yet. It is that way not only with this mantra but also other mantras or tech­niques. Note that all tech­niques are not for every­body. One size does not fit all. Some­times even if you are doing the tech­niques that are right for you, you may ini­tially feel dis­com­fort because of the karmic (read: the stored emo­tional pat­terns, etc) stuff com­ing up. The speed with which they come up varies. You need to stop and reeval­u­ate your sit­u­a­tion. If you feel like stop­ping the tech­niques alto­gether, just stop. Don’t need to push yourself.

    Please also note that if you are chant­ing mantra with an inten­tion of hav­ing a par­tic­u­lar spir­i­tual expe­ri­ence, then that desire may be com­ing from ego caus­ing a lot of phys­i­cal and men­tal pain. You need to approach any tech­nique with humil­ity and sur­ren­der to the divine and let the divine give you what­ever expe­ri­ence you need to grow.

    As Soorya sug­gests above, Bhak­thi or Sur­ren­der to the Divine is impor­tant. May be your first prac­tice should be just that — Sur­ren­der to your favorite form of the divine. If you need to do a spe­cific tech­nique, you will be guided to it and you will not feel the con­flicts cre­ated by ego at that point. This was the case with me.

    Lis­ten to your inner long­ing (this is not the ego’s desire to have an expe­ri­ence and feel good). Just because some­one else is doing it or some­one had some expe­ri­ence and you want to repro­duce that expe­ri­ence, is the wrong approach. Hav­ing spir­i­tual expe­ri­ences is not the goal. Expe­ri­ences occur on their own accord depend­ing on what each per­son needs to learn and gain wisdom.

    Develop Self-love and Self-acceptance. When you develop those two, things will appear to you as needed for your evo­lu­tion and you will not face these issues. With Self-love and Self-acceptance, you will also gain the wis­dom of love and accep­tance for others.

    Be gen­tle with your­self. Treat your body tem­ple as you would treat a tem­ple you visit — with love and devo­tion. If you are feel­ing uncom­fort­able and sick, then body is telling you to just stop. No guilt needed. Just stop.

    I hope this helps.


  73. Arjun Kumar:

    I can’t really answer you ques­tions, since I have not vis­ited the hills you name. To me it does not mat­ter. They live in my heart.

    Please read the com­ment I posted above addressed K. Rajendrakumar.


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  75. Dear Desika

    My sug­ges­tion may be sound in your opin­ion. For me, this shall reach KGR as a fire fight­ing strat­egy. If he really gets its trou­ble, even my sug­ges­tion or your sug­ges­tion will not help him to reach to his nor­mal. Only almighty has to save him.
    Please guys, do not play with your brains…! its is very del­i­cate, gifted by Lord shiva.


  76. Dear Desika,
    thanks for reply.. As i sug­gested ear­lier i have a great inter­est in know­ing about sid­dhas… cause they are the peo­ple who searched god within them­selves.. i got a lots of ques­tions about them.. but i dont have peo­ple to answer my ques­tions.. so when i saw this blog i had a hope that i will get some solu­tions cause so many peo­ple have got expe­ri­ences in know­ing sid­dhas… but could you sug­gest some peo­ple who might help me!!
    And basi­cally i am an engi­neer­ing stu­dent and i have a great inter­est in archae­ol­ogy.. our Tamil man­u­scripts had pos­sessed many aston­ish­ing facts proved , before the for­eign peo­ple. had said. and about speak­ing thirumoolar’s thiru­man­thi­ram, (heard from my dad) i had learnt many things abt what he had said abt human body, the food we intake and way of liv­ing.. … so, i need to know the ori­gins .. so thats why i need some help. . so pls reply!!!!!

  77. Dear KGR: Glad that you have com­pletely recov­ered from your ill­ness. As I pointed out in the email that I had sent you, it may have been coin­ci­den­tal with the mantra chant­ing and we can­not be sure whether mantra chant­ing was respon­si­ble for your illness.

    As I men­tioned ear­lier, you should fol­low your heart. What do you feel? If you feel like chant­ing, then go ahead. If you don’t feel like chant­ing, then stop; it is fine too. Fol­low­ing your heart is very impor­tant in both spir­i­tual and phys­i­cal endeavors.

    All the best.

  78. Dear Arjun Kumar,

    Desika has a very good sug­ges­tion to go to babji​.ca web­site and check out their pub­li­ca­tions. I have been doing the lessons from sivayoga​.com since Novem­ber of last year and have had many pro­found expe­ri­ences and a remark­able quick­en­ing of my spir­i­tual evo­lu­tion. As a result, I decided that I wanted to know about Thiru­moolar and the Sid­dha tra­di­tion and started order­ing books from’s book list. One of them, Babaji and the 18 Sid­dha Kriya Yoga Tra­di­tion, you can order from the site Desika rec­om­mended. It is one of my favorites and has given me a deep appre­ci­a­tion and under­stand­ing of the Sid­dhas’ lives, phi­los­o­phy and ser­vice to human­ity. There are beau­ti­ful paint­ings of the 18 Sid­dhas too.



  79. dear guruji,

    i have read your arti­cles and they are great beyond words.
    really spir­i­tual inter­ested per­sons like me it is most useful

    i am expect­ing more such arti­cles in future also


  80. Sim­ply Superb,

    I am very lucky and blessed to read this arti­cle and expe­ri­ences, I Thank each and every one of you for shar­ing your knowl­edge and expe­ri­ence. Eyes full of tears when I read this.
    I thank my wife for refer­ring this page.

    Keep shar­ing your experices. Thanks, Nanri

    OM Na ma Si va ya ! Si va ya na ma

  81. U just dreamt a incep­tion… Third eye is not the one which you think it is. Don’t mis­guide peo­ple say­ing “My third eye split open.….….…red laser.….….… ” You will pay for it.…

  82. Sharath,

    Incep­tion is a very good movie. I enjoyed it and liked the “open end­ing” very much. :-)

    Sorry that you are hav­ing such bad days, that you had to come here, vent your frus­tra­tions and threaten me. I hope that helped you to have some peace of mind.

    Your crit­i­cism of me “misguide“ing peo­ple is unfounded, as I am NOT a guide to any­body. Each to his own. If you don’t like, what I write in my blog and you don’t res­onate with it, move on to some­thing else you like. Nobody is forc­ing you to read this blog or any other.

    Peace and light to you.


  83. Dear Sharath — Well done. really i appre­ci­ate your inter­est for the society

    Dear Desika —

    your reply to Sharath is Ridicu­lous and proves that you are not spir­i­tual. Your blog is guid­ing peo­ple to mad­ness. Learn­ing and prac­tic­ing med­i­ta­tion through web site or books will def­i­nitely lead to con­fu­sion and psy­cho­log­i­cal dis­or­ders.
    please try to find out how many have already gone mad because of your blog writ­ings and you will def­i­nitely stop this blog after know­ing that.
    with good will

  84. Hi Soorya:

    Again, I have not forced any­body to fol­low any­thing I say here. I never claimed to be an expert or guru and never claimed any­thing here to be a teach­ing. All I say in my blog is only my per­sonal expe­ri­ence through my own prac­tices. Fol­low your heart and never oth­ers. I have not judged you or Sharath or any­body else. You are judg­ing me, nonethe­less. These writ­ings are com­ing out of my own expe­ri­ence and heart. If you want to read, fine. If you want to ignore, fine. Does not mat­ter to me. Noth­ing given here is a teach­ing or any­thing like that. I don’t believe in one size fits all approach. Every­body is unique and they need to find their own path. I found mine and I stick with it. Even if every­body stops read­ing this blog, it is fine with me. I only fol­low my heart. Fol­low yours and don’t waste your pre­cious time in attack­ing others.

    What­ever your agenda or moti­va­tion is behind your attack, may the peace and light be with you.



  85. Hi again Soorya:

    I really need to thank you for your com­ment. The answer that came out of me in reply to your com­ment made me real­ize that I was attached to this blog at some level and that answer helped me dis­solve that resid­ual attachment.

    Thank you.

    Peace and Light,


  86. Soorya: thanks for enlight­en­ing him, in what is about to get him.

    Desika: I am not attack­ing even in a least sense. and you think I have no job? or What? beware my brother, karma what we get by being pre­pos­ter­ous will never leave us until we repent on it sin­cerely.
    May be you can take my words in a good sense. If you really believe in deeds.

    Sid­dham is not a sim­ple thing, that we can put in words to make peo­ple understand.…even sid­dhas failed to deliver what they know. (VVV) and we ended up wor­ship­ing stones…

    natta kallai theivam endru naalu push­paam saa­triye, sootri vandhu mununuven­dru sol­lum mand­hi­ram ethada??? natta kalum pesumoo?? naathan ulirukayil. Suta satti sat­u­vam kari soovai ariyumo??”- Sithar Sivavaakiyar

    even if u had ur expe­ri­ence, is not that sim­ple to put it in words. Think about it my brother.

    Refer­ing to your blog, I accept its inter­est­ing to read dif­fer­ent and a fly­ing expe­ri­ence. but its not about inter­est­ing people.

    • yes…rock made idols are only for concentration…the centre…the point…may be they did not want it to expose to all..because all were so rest­less and it was dif­fi­cult to tackle them..they could not under­stand what is this moolam before them..whatever when started it was not for self­ish pur­pose was done to appre­ci­ate things about what they had expe­ri­enced but later on it was made into some other ..but its not easy for ordi­nary human­be­ings to think about meditation..those who are hav­ing the cells make them under­stand what they are…because we had to cross so many birth before…what we did with purity in one of our birth instill us to do it we are strong enough we catch that point and we are weak we dis­tract ourselves…simple matter…ok …now..may i try to under­stand what you have written…“chutta chatti chathu­vam kari ariyumo?…my inter­pre­ta­tion is “chutta chatti” means the “dead body”…“chattuvam” is water (charu, eechan), kari means fire..i may be wrong but what i realise is that one human­body that glows with “Chivan kanal” (heat of sun) would under­stand what is what..which one is water and which one is fire…but the body that does not have this “chivakanal” can never under­stand the great truth Chivan…you see…great saints had writ­ten every­thing with “sootchumam”…hidden meaning…because they delib­er­ately want us to reach them…when we under­stand this sootchu­mam they come to the con­clu­sion that we are the one who can be oper­ated because we lis­ten to so many sto­ries and so many things before us…we are blind …we are remain­ing here as ordi­nary humanbeings…but when we catch the mean­ing we learn to reach that place full of power…you observe tem­ples unfor­tu­nately you dont these days have ele­phant before you in tem­ples if you ever see then try to con­nect your­self with that divine science…then reach moolam and navagrahams.…if you ever then it will force you to know more.…still there are so many hid­den mean­ings frozen…i give impor­tance to hard labour of peo­ple and i search for heart full of purity.

  87. Hi Sharath,

    Thank you. It was very hard for me to put my inner expe­ri­ence in words and still may not have con­veyed it well. That seems to be the rea­son why Soorya, you and pos­si­bly some oth­ers have com­pletely mis­un­der­stood my inten­tions. As I wrote in the update, my inten­tion was never to mis­lead any­body or to sug­gest using this arti­cle as a tech­nique to get some expe­ri­ence. It was only to say that Sid­dhars like Thiru­moolar are there to help us when we under­stand their teach­ings in proper light. That’s all.

    When great sid­dhars have failed in that expres­sion, as you put it, how can I pre­sume to have suc­ceeded? That would be arro­gant of me. And, you are right that mis­un­der­stand­ing leads to ill-formed rit­u­als. I never meant that any­body should blindly wor­ship Thiru­moolar or other sid­dhars (and if they do so blindly, then that is their level of under­stand­ing and I can­not judge them). In my inner com­mu­ni­ca­tion with him, he specif­i­cally instructed me to avoid “blind” idol wor­ship of him, other sid­dhars and deities. When there is divine essence in every­thing and every­where — even the stones, then what is wor­ship? Who is wor­ship­ping whom? Prob­lems occur when we don’t see the divine within our­selves and oth­ers, and think that the divine is only in some idol or other sages we hold in high esteem. That is utter dual­ity and not one­ness that Thiru­moolar taught me.

    I am not wor­ried about or afraid of karma, as my inten­tions were and are pure. I have never writ­ten any­thing on this site that was not true for me.

    I have said every­thing I have to say on this topic and I won’t respond to sim­i­lar com­ments any­more, since peo­ple under­stand oth­ers only through their own fil­ters and they are solely respon­si­ble for those filters.

    Thank you for your con­cern for me.


  88. Dear Desika

    I wrote to you with some con­cern and with no inten­sion of attack­ing you.
    Apol­o­gize if it had cre­ated an upset in you.

    I too wish you ‘may the peace and light be with you“
    Om Namasivaya



  89. Hi Soorya,

    Your com­ment elicited a response from within that was expressed above, that’s all. There is no upset. In all my arti­cles, I only try to reit­er­ate inde­pen­dent mind­ed­ness and tread­ing one’s own path with­out copy­ing any­one else’s but maybe only deriv­ing inspi­ra­tion. One has to find the truth by one’s own efforts and I only express my truth. Point is that I can­not make every­body happy, it is impos­si­ble; no mat­ter what I try to live my truth, and oth­ers need to live theirs. That’s what I was try­ing to say above.

    To me there is no dif­fer­ence between spir­i­tu­al­ity and mate­ri­al­ity, since mat­ter is con­densed spirit — there is divin­ity in every­thing and every­where. One only needs to see. I am grate­ful for your concern.


  90. Veetil yogi­ram­suratku­mar photo muun annaya vil­laku etru­vathu sar­riya, please tell the suggestion.

    Anan­thi Ganesan

  91. Sir

    can this mantra be chanted by grihastaas?

    is there a fees for initiation?

    is it pos­si­ble to get ini­ti­a­tion in Chen­nai? the web­site does­not have any address. only a con­tact email.

    tnx in advance

  92. @Ananthi: I am not good at read­ing Tamil, espe­cially the translit­er­ated ver­sion. So, I don’t under­stand what you meant in your comment.

    @Kandhan: Yes, it can be chanted by any­one includ­ing gri­has­tas. You need to go the Siva Yoga web­site for details. There is not fees for the ini­ti­a­tions into the tech­niques. Siva Yoga Sat­sangs hap­pen in Chen­nai, India, and you should be able to get all infor­ma­tion from the Siva Yoga website–just send them an email with your questions.


  93. Anan­thi : Yogi ram­surat kumar is great yogi and pray­ing him will give you only good things and goodwill.It’s the teach­ings we shld fol­low rather than just light­ing him.

    Dear Desika ,
    I am really happy to hear the divine things. But you should know tamil bet­ter to under­stand thiru­moolar more. He is Mahaa­vatar babaji’s Guru ‚(Thiru­moolar -> Bogar ->Kalin­ganathar ->Babaji )Guruji to all these .They belong to the famous 18 sid­dhars ‚where you can see them in every sivan tem­ple in tamil­nadu .Thiru­moolar gave thiru­man­thi­ram (has 3000 songs) which speaks about life,soul,body,athma .He came to meet agasthya and learnt tamil and wrote all the great things and thiru­man­thi­ram is already trans­lated in eng­lish world­wide .But whats the rea­son you are say­ing to trans­late in english.Please be clear to state your ideas. God is in the state of no mind.Your travel should be from mind to no mind stage and thats what thiru­moolar had said all along his life , a great saint who has lived for more than 3000 years. Osho will help you under­stand more about the saints but dont stick to any preach­ings expect shivam ‚the one and only god of eternal

    • yes i agree travel from mind to no mind means here “the silence” thats what i understand…because once you attain or observe the holy fire in you would never speak out…because you are enjoy­ing each and every moment of that vision.

  94. Anbe Sivam

    Its the spir­i­tual life every human needs to live.Accept God and pro­ceed with all trust and Confidence.when u believe your­self noth­ing is required.See god in each and every part of life.Nothing to argue and noth­ing to worry.We take noth­ing and bring noth­ing except bless­ing of God by the way of our life.All saints and Yogi are a great gift for us.Nothing wrong in prac­tic­ing or try­ing out from per­son who says he has expe­ri­enced some good vibrations.We humans are in a sit­u­a­tion that , even if god comes and ask us to to do med­i­ta­tion or prayers we will never do.Instead if a actor says we will accept.There are few souls like desika who shares their expe­ri­ence .As he says if u wish do it , else leave it.There is no com­pul­sion in this world.Live a life which u like.When we point on oth­ers there are rest 4 fig­ures point­ing us.

    Love is god…

    Seek god through love …

    Anbe Sivam


    • karma of peo­ple is the only rea­son for every­thing from top to bottom..anyone here want to get sal­va­tion from this earthly life if he or she says yes then that would mean they had seen get mok­sha one should learn how to thank that holy fire in front of us stand­ing majes­ti­cally with bright rays…he is not in tem­ples, mosques or churches…all these places are for meditation..what they have made its not the mat­ter for debate…leave them all with their karma..its upto them to make them­selves to go on right path or wrong path…what can any mind do to reform them all…“Akamkaaram” the proudi­ness is also a karma that would lead every­one to a path one day…i heard vis­it­ing tem­ples or holy shrine is like going to LKG…we have to strive hard to excel to reach the place full of spirutualism.

  95. Dear, Bandhu pranams just now gone through your arti­cle, which made us (friends) spell­bound, we would like to know more of your expe­ri­ence with THIRUMOOLAR and KRIYA BABAJ., hope you can share this with us thtough the mail id., and we will be pleased if you can leave your address., so that we can come and meet you in person.,

  96. Sid­dhar say “ulagam ellam kandu ariya oru karru poru­lai kan­den ” any­body here can pro­vide the expla­na­tion on this please ????? .If not under­stand what i say please ignore this or if you have same under­stand­ing with what i say than reply me through email provided.

    • i also watched this “karru porul” espe­cially when i close my eyes…Poet sub­ra­manya bharathiyaar also wrote that “kaakai sir­aginile nan­tha laala..unthan kariya niram thon­truthada nan­tha laala”…the actual mean­ing is the “glow­ing sun”..i won­der why could not any­one say it directly…what is the pur­pose of hid­ing any­thing? may be he did not want to tell it for some pur­pose may be self­ish motives..i believe..but truth is truth…and we all human­be­ings are full of sym­pa­thy for all when we see injus­tice and atroc­ity we make our­selves angry that too i think the holy fire is only oper­at­ing indirectly…when i see this “karru porul” it actu­ally stay for some time but with halo…brightness around..does that mean out­side is still glow­ing inside is burnt out i mean the coal the exhausted one …because it was glow­ing for so many thou­sands of years pur­pose­fully to serve us all and he is full of kind­ness but at the same time observ­ing our karma too…thats its duty…it is doing its job…can you tell me who had set up this “moolam” sun and nine plan­ets ? so beau­ti­fully to oper­ate our earth? As long as this “dear Chivan” is glow­ing our earth is also revolv­ing ..u see the con­nec­tion between both ..its amaz­ing! the mag­netic connection…we are also part of this arrangement…holding pan­chapootham inside…

    • Stephen: This was a very per­sonal expe­ri­ence for me, so there was a “know­ing.” Note that to have a “belief” you don’t need per­sonal expe­ri­ence, just hearsay is enough. If I didn’t have this expe­ri­ence, I’d would be skep­ti­cal as well. How­ever, yoga/tantra is expe­ri­en­tial sci­ence and doesn’t require you to blindly believe in any­thing. It actu­ally encour­ages healthy skep­ti­cism, open mind­ed­ness, exper­i­men­ta­tion and non-attachment to expe­ri­ence. It only expects your will­ing­ness to be a sci­en­tist in your own field of aware­ness (body/mind/spirit). Guru is the form­less spirit, always within you, and can man­i­fest in any­way depend­ing on our level of readi­ness. That’s what this expe­ri­ence was for me. I hope that this helps.


  97. if you are really a sithar. pls tell me, why my job was fre­quently changing.

    I really respect sithars. hope they will help me

  98. what i have gath­ered through intu­ition is that all the great human­be­ings gone away from this world are still here only form­less indeed but can oper­ate any­one any­time as they wish..i had the expe­ri­ence too.. i am glad that you had the vision great sage Thiru­moolar because every­thing sprouted from this holy land Tamilnadu…there are still so many sin­ners doing sin here that is not good for them…they are actu­ally mak­ing the almighty to write the “karma” for them..i believe..i had vision of the very ancient vision of chivan (shiva) sur­pris­ingly the vision was through water not through fire…because chivan means fire but eechan means water…but he proved to me that he is both united that is fire and water…why would i think about him when the water was splashed on the water..the per­fect figure..i under­stand now that Chivan is Chit­than the GREAT HOLY FIRE

    • Eechan — Eesan. Eevathal Eesan (Giver). It also relates to Water as it comes down to Give us. But actu­all ‘San/Chan’ does­not relate to water in agarathi. Aaaru­mugam has lot of mean­ings. Five faces of SiVa denotes 5 sides of our brain. But they did­not cover spinal cord. So the Sid­dhars gave another vision of GOD MuRu­Gan (Ru denotes big Ra in tamil) with sixth side (Spine). MuRugu means twisted. Spine has three nerve paths (ida naadi, vala naadi, chuzhimu­nai naadi) in twisted fash­ion. Also Murugu (ru denotes small ra in tamil) means beau­ti­ful. Beauty actu­ally comes from Spine (as it is the deliv­erer of ENERGY within the body from Moolad­haram to rest all parts). Not only thies Shan­mugam is a phys­i­cal rep­re­sen­ta­tion of organs that one need to now dur­ing YOGIC travel. Rama­linga Adi­galar (Val­lalar) tells there are 4 phys­i­cal organs with 6 petals. One of then is our Thirid eye. Third Eye is the actual con­nec­tion of our Pineal Gland inside our brain to our cen­ter four head. That is why Kac­chippa Sivachariar men­tioned that Mur­guga Born out of Siva’s third eye flame. (Infact Muruga is birth/death less). But it just rep­re­sents the Yog­i­cal mean­ing. When you see the Orig­i­nal San­skrit Skand­ha­pu­ran, the author nar­rates that Skandha born out of Siva’s Sperm and Sakthi’s egg. Ind­hira car­ried the mix­ture and handed over to 6 Ladies. This story is a real absurd. It is ONLY GOD who sent Kac­chi­appa Sivachariar to rec­tify the story in tamil with Yog­i­cal mean­ing.
      But your expe­ri­ence of vibra­tion in Water should be true to your soul’s karma, may it be water or fire or other 3 ele­ments. It is the LOVE of GOD which picks you up in what ever mode and what ever fash­ion.
      Unfor­tu­nately, other souls are still igno­rant to feel your experience.

  99. i am sorry the water was splashed on the wall to show me the fig­ure “kanakachapai”…when i write “eechan” means water u agree? because “chan” here is water…is it not..thats why also say “chanmukan”…who is chan­mukan? dont u realise that he is the SUN..who is send­ing us “maari”…the rain or water…the ocean..if some­one say that “chan­mukan” was once a great sid­dhar …then i want to tell that who is great sid­dhar than the great holy fire SUN? dont you know that “chithai” in tamil is fire…this is ancient or old tamil name so “chit­tar” means fire…and those who found or realised this fire in them are called “chit­tar” on earth…“CHIVANKANAL”…i have not attained this kanal in me so far but hope to get it some­day but some say that after receiv­ing or under­stand­ing this kind of fire you would never like to die..keep on stay­ing on earth…i hate this ..because i dont want to be on this earth with humans…i found them always doing this and that to gain for their own self­ish com­fort life…i am con­fused whether i should con­tinue to get this “kanal” on earth…i want to reach the sky and be there…the iso­lated region where you are the mas­ter of your mind and there would be no poi­so­nous minds nearby to dis­tract you or dis­turb you…dont you agree? i would request my favorite sage may be one another i may attach with me there are so many still bless­ing to offer me that “kanal” and send me to divine sky full of purity…no clash nothing…only i can enjoy the serene atmos­phere with holy fire and rain…each par­ti­cle would tell me they are also happy being there…

  100. Hi Desika,
    I under­stand your feel­ings and your thoughts to share your expe­ri­ence with oth­ers.
    There are 2 songs from Kand­har Anub­hoothi
    “Sev­vaan uruvil thi­gal vela­van andru
    Ovvaad­had­hena unarviththadhu thaan..

    “Thannan­thani nin­dradhu thaan ariya
    Innum oru­varku isaivip­pathuvo..“
    Both songs say that what ever we expe­ri­ence can not be explained to oth­ers. As oth­ers may get a dif­fer­ent experience..GOD is one but he appears in difer­ent forms and names accross the geog­ra­phy. Peo­ple in the west does­not know who is Siva.
    Similarly…you got the guru Thiru­moolar. But other peo­ple will get dif­fer­ent guru.. it all depends on our karma..
    But I really appreciate/obey your LOVE to share it with oth­ers for moti­vat­ing. You met Thiru­moolar because of your LOVE (more than yogic prac­tice). He is the one who said ‘Anbu­Si­vam iran­den­bar ariv­i­laar..’.
    I just wanted to cor­rect one thing here..51 syl­la­ble man­thra„ The man­thra you said is just 25 + Om (Na Ma Si Va Ya… com­bi­na­tions). The 51 syl­la­ble pointed by Thiru­moolar is the num­ber of tamil let­ters in older days (before tholkap­piar). The song is “Odhum ezhuthodu uyir kalai mooovaindhu
    Aadhi exhuthavai aim­bat­hodu ondrenbar.…”

  101. I wanted to write a sep­a­rate Blog for Sivan. Sivan should not be con­sid­ered as Siddha..But Sivan is the TARGET for all Sid­dhas. In tamil, we call GOD as iraivan, kadavul. In san­skrit we call him as Bha­ga­van. They are all gen­eral words to refer GOD. But if you analyse the mean­ing, you will find that it will denote SiVa.
    iRaivan — in tamil iRuththa­p­at­ta­van. iRuthu — tighten. iRaivan means a per­son who has a sub­stance by tight­en­ing it. GOD is the pro­moter of Energy and we are just trans­fer­ing it. So GOD has all ENERGY within him­self and GOD is the Source of ENERGY. That is why Sid­dhas (tamil) termed him as iRaivan to denote that GOD has ENERGY(abundant) with him always in tight­ened form and releases it when ever nec­es­sary. They gave female fig­ure for this ENERGY and named as Satthi in Tamil (Sak­thi in san­skrit)
    KadaVul — GOD is omnipresent he resides apart from us and also within us. Kadan­thum Ullum irup­pa­van, so KadaVul.
    Bha­ga­van — San­skrit does not have a root word for Bha­ga­van. But the root is present in ‘Paga­van’ of Tamil. You can see First Thirukkural ‘Aadhi Paga­van’. Only Mate­ri­als have begin­ing and End, not the GOD or Soul. So all these mate­r­ial world (includ­ing our mate­r­ial body) has beg­n­ing (Aadhi) and End (and­ham). All mat­ters are gen­er­ated out of ENERGY. So Aadhi denotes ENERGY as well. But ENERGY source is GOD. So Sid­dhas depicted GOD&ENERGY togather in the form of Ard­hanaarisavara (Maad­hor kooran, umai pan­gan, man­gai paa­gan). This means lit­er­ally ENERGY is half of GOD and GOD’s half is ENERGY. that is why Thiru­val­lu­var used the term ‘Aadhi Paga­van’ (half of ENERGY)
    SiVan — to explan this term we need to under­stand what is Na Ma Si Va Ya
    Na — Nadappu / Action (Thiru­moolar says Thi­rod­hana sak­thi which is respon­si­ble for doing actions)
    Ma — MaRaippu/ignorance (By igno­rance we are attracted towards the mate­r­ial world instead of the cre­ator GOD)
    Si — Sir­appu / Spe­cial . This is the best of BEST, GOD. It is the SOURCE of every­thing. Thiru­moolar denotes it as SiVa itself
    Va — Varappu/Vanappu/that which comes from GOD. GOD gives us ENERGY (Sak­thi). In oth­er­words that which comes (varuthal) from GOD is ENERGY. But when you analyse it, you will find the beauty of how the Energy is trans­formed when it reaches you (from MACRO to MICRO level). This trans­for­ma­tion Beauty is Vanappu.
    Ya — Yaappu/Body (Our Soul is cov­ered by a Body called Yaakai in tamil)

    We have five dif­fer­ent lev­els for this Aind­hezhuthu (Pan­chak­shara)
    Na Ma Si Va Ya — Level of Worldy attached Souls
    Si Va Ya Na Ma — Level of Godly attached Souls with some attach­ments to Wold
    Si Va Ya Si Va — Level of Pure Souls attached only to GOD. Exam­ple are the Sid­dhars who still live in mate­r­ial body
    Si Va — Level of Souls attached to GOD with­out a Body, But expe­ri­ences GOD via ENERGY (Va)
    Si — Merged/Attached with GOD only (but never become GOD).

    From this Ainthezhuthu, our sid­dhars framed the word SiVa. Si — Source of ENERGY (light), Va — ENERGY (Arul,Satthi,Ambigai.Gnanam)

    So all terms that used to denote GOD always denote SiVa.

    Please read ‘Sivagnana Bod­ham’ under your GURU’s guid­ance to under­stand the prop­er­ties of GOD

  102. Dear All,

    I read thro the argu­ments and counter argu­ments, In this world no one is per­fect, all seek divine help when in need, Where is god, He is within us
    our Inner con­scious is the god, I also wish to nar­rate a inci­dent which happ­ned to me may be 7 or 8 years ago, I was depressed and was not in my own sense, due to some fam­ily issues, One day I was sit­ting and think­ing and all of a sud­den I intense light small as a nee­dle point so bright entered into me and It ener­gized me I felt so happy and I wanted to dance sing, jump , scream with joy. It was a expe­ri­ence that you could expe­ri­ence and not explain. . after few months once I received such a light not so bright but it still went thro me.

    I felt that as I did not have for­mal train­ing in yoga or med­i­ta­tion I was not able to retain the light within me, per­haps If I did It would be ????
    can some one explain what this and why.

    I totally sur­ren­der myself to Lord Muruga and he guides me always, Once I was hunt­ing for a guru and he told me that I should not look for any and that he would come as guru to me at the right time, I still wait for that time,

    Mir­a­cles have hap­pened in my life


    • Bala, ‘Patharaai pani­vaar­gal ellarkkum adiyen’. I bow to Muru­gan Adi­yar (You). Me too a Muru­gan Adi­yar (Aaru­muga Sivan adi­mai). You got because of your good deeds in the pre­vi­ous births. ‘Pal­loozhi Kaazham Payin­dru aranai Archikka Nal­loozh siridhe nagum’. The sor­rows in your life were just ‘pass­ing by re-actions’ of your ‘Actions’. Pam­ban Swami­gal waited for a word from Muru­gan. You too are waiting…definitely good things to expect in future. Only He knows every­thing..
      You are cor­rect. Spir­i­tual expe­ri­ences are per­sonal. Aruna­giri­nathar said the same in Kand­har Anub­hoothi ‘Thannan­thani nin­dradhu thaan ariya, innum oru­varkku isaivip­pad­huvo…’. The exter­nal light you saw is for you to inter­pret or iden­tify the divin­ity.
      But still, accord­ing to Sivagnana Bod­ham, the GOD (his sith­satthi) trav­ells along with the UYIR in our SPINE (Suzhimuai Naadi) and imparts knowl­edge every time/moment. This inter­nal light (GOD) is termed as MURUGAN (Kumaran — Kum + Aran, Kuzhan­thai Aran). The exter­nal Light which runs this uni­verse is SiVan (Si — Source of Energy/Light, Va — Energy which comes from Source Si)..Yet, both are same. This all are the expla­na­tions found accross Thirukkural, Thiru­vasagam, The­vaaram, Thirup­pu­gal, Kand­har Anu­boothi.…. None of them say their expe­ri­ences. Expe­ri­ences are personal

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